Playing with Fire
Frank Carroll assembled this illustration of a fire-breathing dragon for us after we learned that fire crews battling the 1,0323,648-acre August Complex Fire had dropped incendiary Dragon Eggs on the conflagration in an attempt to slow it progress. The Forest Service also used Potential Operational Delineations [PODS] on the lightning caused, wind-driven fire. Neither Dragon Eggs nor PODS worked. Carrol discusses the use and

Playing with Fire

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EDITOR’S NOTE:
Frank Carroll is President and Chief Forester, FRMc Wildfire Pros, Pueblo, Colorado. He is a long-time friend and colleague. His op-ed speaks for itself—and we agree with his interpretation of the newest Trump Administration regulations concerning the use of Potential Operational Delineations (PODS) in wildfire management on federal lands.


PODs: Planning Tool or Pretext?

The U.S. Forest Service’s adoption of Potential Operational Delineations, or PODs, is now official. Chief Randy Moore’s successor, Chief Schultz, has endorsed the program, and the agency is moving forward. That means the public debate is no longer about whether PODs will be implemented. It now focuses on whether they will be used as intended—or misused in a far more dangerous way.

That question deserves urgent attention.


The Promise of PODs

In theory, PODs are a practical planning concept. They divide the landscape into manageable units based on terrain, roads, ridges, rivers, vegetation patterns, and other operational features. Used effectively, they can help firefighters think ahead, recognize opportunities and constraints, and prepare for safer, smarter suppression. As a preplanning tool, PODs can support decision-making. They can help agencies customize responses to local conditions and improve communication before a fire starts.

That is the promise.


The Concern

But in practice, many communities fear that PODs are turning into something else: de facto “big boxes,” predetermined burn zones that incident management teams can use to justify firing operations or allow large areas to burn under vague claims of “resource benefits,” “firefighter safety,” or “strategic opportunity.” In that version of the program, POD boundaries cease to be planning aids and start becoming preselected sacrifice zones.

That is not what the public was promised.


The 2017 August Complex Fire remains the largest in California history. It burned over six northern California counties between August 17 and November 12, the date it was finally extinguished. This Roger Jaegel photo shows some of the horrific damage caused by the 1,614 square mile conflagration. Early attempts to "manage" this fire by herding it across large landscapes failed because high winds blew six smaller fires together. Early initial attack by helitack crews and smokejumpers might have kept the six fires from becoming a catastrophic stand replacing wildfire.

A Real Concern

The concern is real, not hypothetical. In Northern California and beyond, residents have watched how wildfire-related language and policy have changed over time. Terms once clearly linked to emergency suppression now have more flexible meanings. “Full suppression” no longer always means what ordinary people believe it does. Agencies increasingly label fires as full suppression events even while using tactics such as monitoring, confinement, point protection, or strategic firing that fall short of direct suppression across the entire fire perimeter. The public hears one thing; the operational reality is often different.

The Forest Service can’t earn public trust with that kind of double-speak.


Clarity Matters

If a fire is fully suppressed, the goal is simple: contain and extinguish it as quickly as conditions safely permit. If, on the other hand, a team uses a mix of tactics to achieve broader land management objectives, the agency should state that clearly. That is not full suppression in the everyday sense of the term. It is a managed fire. The difference is important—to the public, to local governments, and to taxpayers.


Where PODs Matter Most

PODs make that distinction even more crucial because they establish the framework for these decisions. If a POD includes or borders the wildland-urban interface, communities should insist that the default management approach is full suppression, year-round, with no ambiguity and no quiet shift toward modified tactics. If land managers believe part of that area requires fire for ecological reasons, it should occur only under prescribed fire conditions: defined boundaries, clear objectives, specific weather conditions, explicit start and end times, environmental compliance, and a detailed rehabilitation plan.

A wildfire during peak fire season is not a prescribed fire. It is not a controlled experiment. It is not a policy sandbox for testing abstract theories that “all fire is good fire.”


Wildfire season has begun in the arid Southwest and Southern California. Newspapers and the Internet will soon be filled with photographs like this one. Some of these fires will be human-caused. Others will be caused by lightning. But over the last 30 years an increasing number have been caused by mismanagement - a failure of federal agencies to complete the thinning and stand tendening work necessary to reduce the risk of wildfire in forests that hold too many trees for the natural carrying capacity of the land. Federal agencies are improving but their projects are often delayed by litigation sponsored by groups that oppose any and all management activity in publicly owned forests.

Lessons from Recent Fire History

The recent history of Western fire management is full of cases in which fires tolerated under moderate conditions later escaped into extreme conditions and became months-long, destructive incidents. Once a fire is established and the weather shifts, the original reason for managing it often becomes irrelevant. At that point, what was framed as strategic restraint becomes a regional emergency. Communities are threatened, resources are depleted, and firefighters are stretched thin across multiple incidents. The costs—ecological, financial, and human—are borne not by theory, but by the public.


A Line on a Map

This is why PODs must not become a bureaucratic shortcut for insufficient suppression during peak season. A line on a map is not a scientific justification for burning everything within it. A POD is an operational planning unit, not a blank check. It was never meant to give incident teams permission to treat entire landscapes as disposable just because boundaries are convenient.

And yet, that is precisely the fear many residents harbor: that once a fire enters a POD, teams will increasingly rely on indirect line construction and firing operations to contain the fire, especially in remote areas where the agency can invoke “resource benefit” or “firefighter safety” with little real accountability. These concerns are heightened by incidents such as the Horton Fire story map, which shows how strategic line choices and firing operations can significantly alter outcomes across a landscape. These are important decisions, not neutral technical actions. When made under vague or shifting objectives, the public is justified in questioning whether PODs are truly supporting suppression—or replacing it.


Honesty and Accountability

There may be a valid role for flexibility in wilderness or remote backcountry areas. Some PODs may appropriately implement Minimum Impact Suppression Tactics, limits on retardant use, or other location-specific restrictions. However, honesty still matters. If the agency opts for modified suppression to meet land management goals, it should acknowledge that the fire is no longer being treated solely as an emergency. It has, at least in part, become a management operation. The public should not be misled about this.


The Role of Local Communities

That is why local input is crucial. Communities must play a meaningful role in POD planning before the next fire occurs. County officials, fire districts, landowners, and residents should know where POD boundaries are, what management responses are planned within them, and under what conditions tactics might shift from direct suppression to indirect or modified strategies. This cannot be just an internal mapping exercise followed by public relations afterward. If PODs are going to influence real-world fire decisions, they need genuine accountability.


The Bottom Line

The main guiding rule should be simple: uncontrolled wildfire threatens forests, watersheds, wildlife habitats, air quality, infrastructure, and human health. It should not be accepted as a normal part of managing public—and by extension, private—lands during peak fire season. We lack the resources, workforce, or reliable predictions to manage large wildfires safely and effectively under severe summer and fall conditions. We have repeatedly learned this lesson at great cost.


What PODs Should Be

PODs could still be useful if they stay true to their original purpose: planning tools that enable quicker, safer, and more transparent suppression decisions. However, if they turn into preauthorized “big boxes”—areas where incident teams can ignite entire interiors or allow large sections to burn under vague objectives—the program will have shifted from an advancement in fire management to a dangerous bureaucratic cover-up of past failures.


Prove It

The Forest Service says PODs are about better planning. Fine. Then the agency should prove it.

That means clear language. It means not pretending that modified suppression is full suppression. It means avoiding using emergency funding for what are essentially management fires. It means not treating communities near POD boundaries as collateral damage in a landscape experiment. And it means not allowing wildfire to burn during peak season for vague “resource benefit” goals that can quickly collapse under real fire weather.

The public can accept planning, but it should not accept surrender masquerading as strategy.


Another Frank Carrol illustration assembled at our request because we wanted a Smokey Bear T-shirt emblazened with First, Put Out the Fire! Yes, there are places where fire can be allowed to burn for ecosystem benefit but, as a general rule, prompt initial attack is best, followed by salvage logging and replanting. Thinning in overstocked and diseased forests is an excellent tool for reducing wildfire risk. Especially when followed by prescribed burning by a crew that knows how to handle a prescribed fire.

What Works

The late Steve Arno's use of thinning and prescribed burning in the Lick Creek Experimental Forest south of Missoula, Montana provides an excellent example of what needs to be done on millions of acres of federally-owned forestland in the western United States. Arno was attached to the Forest Service's Fire Science Laboratory in Missoula for many years.

Timber Harvested vs. Timber Burned on Federal Forests


This graph is a perfect illustration of the problem Frank describes in his essay. Millions of acres destroyed by wildfire far exceeds the amount of timber harvested between 1985 and 2022. The nation's forest future is going up in flames. The situation is improving under the leadership of Forest Service Chief, Tom Schultz, but we have some distance to go before the risk of stand-replacing wildfires is quelled. What's needed is more of the thinning and prescribed burning work the late Steve Arno did at Lick Creek.

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